The Guy McLaren debacle

Ok, I know I said I wouldn’t comment on this saga publicly at the risk of being sued but sometimes I have to just get my thoughts out there. I read the posts on Muti about McLaren’s offering to his clients including Nic’s post and the initial post on The Colony. I also watched two of his videos on YouTube (I couldn’t bring myself to watch more). On the one hand I think his work should be exposed because I have serious concerns about what he is saying and what his clients are buying from him. On the other hand, when I read what people are syaing about him and his work and how seriously it is all being taken, my only comment is “you have got to be kidding!”.

If what he says is true and he has a thriving business based on his offering to his clients, then those people who buy his product and his thoughts about the Web and things like Flash and who benefit in the process should just keep doing what they are doing. It is obviously working for them. The rest of us see value in all the stuff he condemns and wouldn’t touch his content builder with a virtual barge pole (well, except the so called “script kiddie” who walked in through McLaren’s open back door (aka his admin area on his site) and did some damage to the site). We may all be hopelessly misguided in our slavish use of Flash and “wow factor” design elements but that stuff tends to work on the Web today. Besides, I like that sort of thing.

I note that McLaren won’t use Flash and yet he uses YouTube to promote himself. YouTube runs on Flash, among other things. Why not just post the video directly on his site using some sort of non-Flash interface or, better yet, post a download link to the video. He malign’s Blogger and WordPress as expensive or as too technical for most users (both contentions are false) and yet he ran a blog of his own on Blogger until June. Ugh! At this point I am just ranting. This sort of thing irks me to no end because it is all just a lot of hype. In a couple days time we’ll get back to talking about people and issues that have real meaning for us. I do feel bad for people who have bought his solutions and who don’t have a full picture of the Web and what works on it. What I do take issue with is this sort of comment on McLaren’s site:

Nic Harambulous, harabuloco? how to spell the name? I am not going back to look at his blog now has an issue with my web design ability. Most people know that I am a functionalty before pretty type webdesigner. It’s results I aim for not impressing webdesigners with how pretty and inefficient my productions are. It is not that I deny that my efforts may at times seem previous millenium, the thing is I built websites in that era and the rules remain unchanged. Because my sites use minimalist coding technique, the load faster. Because we don’t do flash our sites offer information not pretty movies, does that make them bad.

I guess its the results that you need from the website that are important, not how much it impresses some narcissist masturbator that thinks that sites need to be flashy rather than give results. Here on this site we care about getting results for our clients, not wasting money on unnecessary plastic surgery.

These comments are defamatory and just not on.

As for the defacement of McLaren’s site, that really isn’t appropriate or legal. That being said, I think I can empathise a bit (not that I would do that sort of thing … disclaimer … disclaimer … disclaimer).

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  1. Charl van Niekerk avatar

    Don’t worry about being sued – those are just idle threats. The fact is that you can voice your opinions about others and their offerings freely according to the South African constitution last time I checked. So we want to hear what you think. 🙂

    If he does decide to sue you, get the best and most expensive lawyer you can. He will almost certainly loose the case and then you sue him for your legal fees. He ends up paying. So if he has any savvy left he will get some manners back.

  2. Charl van Niekerk avatar

    Don't worry about being sued – those are just idle threats. The fact is that you can voice your opinions about others and their offerings freely according to the South African constitution last time I checked. So we want to hear what you think. 🙂

    If he does decide to sue you, get the best and most expensive lawyer you can. He will almost certainly loose the case and then you sue him for your legal fees. He ends up paying. So if he has any savvy left he will get some manners back.

  3. Charl van Niekerk avatar

    Don’t worry about being sued – those are just idle threats. The fact is that you can voice your opinions about others and their offerings freely according to the South African constitution last time I checked. So we want to hear what you think. 🙂

    If he does decide to sue you, get the best and most expensive lawyer you can. He will almost certainly loose the case and then you sue him for your legal fees. He ends up paying. So if he has any savvy left he will get some manners back.

  4. Paul avatar

    Dude, I am an expensive lawyer and the problem with getting sued is that you never recover all your costs, even if you win. It is often better to just stay out of court if you can.

  5. Paul avatar

    Dude, I am an expensive lawyer and the problem with getting sued is that you never recover all your costs, even if you win. It is often better to just stay out of court if you can.

  6. Paul avatar

    Dude, I am an expensive lawyer and the problem with getting sued is that you never recover all your costs, even if you win. It is often better to just stay out of court if you can.

  7. Guy avatar

    So you don’t like my offering, so don’t buy it. I don’t like your thoughts and opinions but who actually gives a shit.

    I wouldn’t bother suing some onanist that disagrees with me, but the fuckers that defaced my client sites caused damage.

  8. Guy avatar

    So you don’t like my offering, so don’t buy it. I don’t like your thoughts and opinions but who actually gives a shit.

    I wouldn’t bother suing some onanist that disagrees with me, but the fuckers that defaced my client sites caused damage.

  9. Guy avatar

    So you don't like my offering, so don't buy it. I don't like your thoughts and opinions but who actually gives a shit.

    I wouldn't bother suing some onanist that disagrees with me, but the fuckers that defaced my client sites caused damage.

  10. wade avatar

    How do you loose a case? Open it?

  11. wade avatar

    How do you loose a case? Open it?

  12. wade avatar

    How do you loose a case? Open it?

  13. Paul avatar

    Guy, I actually had to look up that word “onanist”. According to my dictionary it means “masturbation” or “coitus interruptus”. Dude, you’re a little obsessed with masturbation in your posts and comments.

    As for not caring about my thoughts and opinions, that’s ok. You are in good company. Plenty people don’t really care what I have to say. Mostly I keep going to amuse myself.

  14. Paul avatar

    Guy, I actually had to look up that word “onanist”. According to my dictionary it means “masturbation” or “coitus interruptus”. Dude, you’re a little obsessed with masturbation in your posts and comments.

    As for not caring about my thoughts and opinions, that’s ok. You are in good company. Plenty people don’t really care what I have to say. Mostly I keep going to amuse myself.

  15. Paul avatar

    Guy, I actually had to look up that word “onanist”. According to my dictionary it means “masturbation” or “coitus interruptus”. Dude, you’re a little obsessed with masturbation in your posts and comments.

    As for not caring about my thoughts and opinions, that’s ok. You are in good company. Plenty people don’t really care what I have to say. Mostly I keep going to amuse myself.

  16. Paul avatar

    Guy, I actually had to look up that word “onanist”. According to my dictionary it means “masturbation” or “coitus interruptus”. Dude, you're a little obsessed with masturbation in your posts and comments.

    As for not caring about my thoughts and opinions, that's ok. You are in good company. Plenty people don't really care what I have to say. Mostly I keep going to amuse myself.

  17. Charl van Niekerk avatar

    Aaargh, sorry man! Always a problem commenting on somebody’s site without reading the bio first. Humble apologies…

  18. Charl van Niekerk avatar

    Aaargh, sorry man! Always a problem commenting on somebody’s site without reading the bio first. Humble apologies…

  19. Charl van Niekerk avatar

    Aaargh, sorry man! Always a problem commenting on somebody’s site without reading the bio first. Humble apologies…

  20. Charl van Niekerk avatar

    Aaargh, sorry man! Always a problem commenting on somebody's site without reading the bio first. Humble apologies…

  21. Guy avatar

    It actually means wanker in that form, but then again why would someone that attacks a total stranger actually understand. I am glad I could educate you, if only a little. I would prefer to use the epithet fuckwit but find it upsets people.

  22. Guy avatar

    It actually means wanker in that form, but then again why would someone that attacks a total stranger actually understand. I am glad I could educate you, if only a little. I would prefer to use the epithet fuckwit but find it upsets people.

  23. Guy avatar

    It actually means wanker in that form, but then again why would someone that attacks a total stranger actually understand. I am glad I could educate you, if only a little. I would prefer to use the epithet fuckwit but find it upsets people.

  24. Guy avatar

    It actually means wanker in that form, but then again why would someone that attacks a total stranger actually understand. I am glad I could educate you, if only a little. I would prefer to use the epithet fuckwit but find it upsets people.

  25. coda avatar

    Guy, one question – why is your business url “trafficdepartment.co.za” ? It screams of “spam”… sorry, I mean “scam”… because clearly your business has nothing to do with the traffic department and you’re hijacking their name to increase Google click-through traffic.

    My suggestion is to take the huge amount of advice that has been handed your way over the past week, whether you like it or not, and build on it – there’s nothing better than constructive criticism. And as someone with over 10 years of industry experience I think you can appreciate that. Prove me wrong.

  26. coda avatar

    Guy, one question – why is your business url “trafficdepartment.co.za” ? It screams of “spam”… sorry, I mean “scam”… because clearly your business has nothing to do with the traffic department and you’re hijacking their name to increase Google click-through traffic.

    My suggestion is to take the huge amount of advice that has been handed your way over the past week, whether you like it or not, and build on it – there’s nothing better than constructive criticism. And as someone with over 10 years of industry experience I think you can appreciate that. Prove me wrong.

  27. coda avatar

    Guy, one question – why is your business url “trafficdepartment.co.za” ? It screams of “spam”… sorry, I mean “scam”… because clearly your business has nothing to do with the traffic department and you're hijacking their name to increase Google click-through traffic.

    My suggestion is to take the huge amount of advice that has been handed your way over the past week, whether you like it or not, and build on it – there's nothing better than constructive criticism. And as someone with over 10 years of industry experience I think you can appreciate that. Prove me wrong.

  28. trafficdepartment avatar
    trafficdepartment

    web traffic? Is that not also traffic? Thats the problem with the sheep. Can you not think out of the box. The road traffic department crossover is actually a pain in the arse because it seems people are stupid.

    Yiou saw constructive criticsm, My God, Have you any sense?

  29. trafficdepartment avatar
    trafficdepartment

    web traffic? Is that not also traffic? Thats the problem with the sheep. Can you not think out of the box. The road traffic department crossover is actually a pain in the arse because it seems people are stupid.

    Yiou saw constructive criticsm, My God, Have you any sense?

  30. trafficdepartment avatar
    trafficdepartment

    web traffic? Is that not also traffic? Thats the problem with the sheep. Can you not think out of the box. The road traffic department crossover is actually a pain in the arse because it seems people are stupid.

    Yiou saw constructive criticsm, My God, Have you any sense?

  31. trafficdepartment avatar
    trafficdepartment

    web traffic? Is that not also traffic? Thats the problem with the sheep. Can you not think out of the box. The road traffic department crossover is actually a pain in the arse because it seems people are stupid.

    Yiou saw constructive criticsm, My God, Have you any sense?

  32. Paul avatar

    Good point there Coda. I wonder how much of Guy’s traffic is from people looking for the actual traffic department? I certainly see a lot of traffic coming in to one of my other blogs because of a couple posts I wrote on traffic fines. That topic remains the single biggest traffic source. Calling his blog “traffic department” must have that in mind …

  33. Paul avatar

    Good point there Coda. I wonder how much of Guy’s traffic is from people looking for the actual traffic department? I certainly see a lot of traffic coming in to one of my other blogs because of a couple posts I wrote on traffic fines. That topic remains the single biggest traffic source. Calling his blog “traffic department” must have that in mind …

  34. Paul avatar

    Good point there Coda. I wonder how much of Guy’s traffic is from people looking for the actual traffic department? I certainly see a lot of traffic coming in to one of my other blogs because of a couple posts I wrote on traffic fines. That topic remains the single biggest traffic source. Calling his blog “traffic department” must have that in mind …

  35. Paul avatar

    Good point there Coda. I wonder how much of Guy's traffic is from people looking for the actual traffic department? I certainly see a lot of traffic coming in to one of my other blogs because of a couple posts I wrote on traffic fines. That topic remains the single biggest traffic source. Calling his blog “traffic department” must have that in mind …

  36. Jeanne avatar

    I’m the unfortunate individual who had the misfortune of ever crossing paths with the “Guy Maclaren deal” and falling for it. It’s beyond ridiculous and pathetic but I am dumbstruck to think that anyone can seriously get away with things to the extent to which he is doing so on a semi-reputable business networking site like My Genius. He’s having a field day and seems he has no interest in taking stock of himself.

    What I don’t understand is how anyone intends to make money through him? By selling on his blogs? What does it matter where the blogs stand on Google? Who cares about the stuff he or his followers are writing about? Where does the big business or “food off his table” come into it? Somehow there just seems to be a lot of smoke but zero fire.

  37. Jeanne avatar

    I’m the unfortunate individual who had the misfortune of ever crossing paths with the “Guy Maclaren deal” and falling for it. It’s beyond ridiculous and pathetic but I am dumbstruck to think that anyone can seriously get away with things to the extent to which he is doing so on a semi-reputable business networking site like My Genius. He’s having a field day and seems he has no interest in taking stock of himself.

    What I don’t understand is how anyone intends to make money through him? By selling on his blogs? What does it matter where the blogs stand on Google? Who cares about the stuff he or his followers are writing about? Where does the big business or “food off his table” come into it? Somehow there just seems to be a lot of smoke but zero fire.

  38. Jeanne avatar

    I’m the unfortunate individual who had the misfortune of ever crossing paths with the “Guy Maclaren deal” and falling for it. It’s beyond ridiculous and pathetic but I am dumbstruck to think that anyone can seriously get away with things to the extent to which he is doing so on a semi-reputable business networking site like My Genius. He’s having a field day and seems he has no interest in taking stock of himself.

    What I don’t understand is how anyone intends to make money through him? By selling on his blogs? What does it matter where the blogs stand on Google? Who cares about the stuff he or his followers are writing about? Where does the big business or “food off his table” come into it? Somehow there just seems to be a lot of smoke but zero fire.

  39. Jeanne avatar

    I'm the unfortunate individual who had the misfortune of ever crossing paths with the “Guy Maclaren deal” and falling for it. It's beyond ridiculous and pathetic but I am dumbstruck to think that anyone can seriously get away with things to the extent to which he is doing so on a semi-reputable business networking site like My Genius. He's having a field day and seems he has no interest in taking stock of himself.

    What I don't understand is how anyone intends to make money through him? By selling on his blogs? What does it matter where the blogs stand on Google? Who cares about the stuff he or his followers are writing about? Where does the big business or “food off his table” come into it? Somehow there just seems to be a lot of smoke but zero fire.

  40. Richard Catto avatar

    This blog article of yours, Paul, reminds me why I hold the opinion that reading your blog is an absolute waste of time.

    You’re popular on amatomu.com (rank is 8 at the time I am posting this). That means you have a lot of people who disagree with me.

    So be it.

    I’m happy to be out of step with them.

    Joy to them, if they want to read your drivel.

  41. Richard Catto avatar

    This blog article of yours, Paul, reminds me why I hold the opinion that reading your blog is an absolute waste of time.

    You’re popular on amatomu.com (rank is 8 at the time I am posting this). That means you have a lot of people who disagree with me.

    So be it.

    I’m happy to be out of step with them.

    Joy to them, if they want to read your drivel.

  42. Richard Catto avatar

    This blog article of yours, Paul, reminds me why I hold the opinion that reading your blog is an absolute waste of time.

    You’re popular on amatomu.com (rank is 8 at the time I am posting this). That means you have a lot of people who disagree with me.

    So be it.

    I’m happy to be out of step with them.

    Joy to them, if they want to read your drivel.

  43. Richard Catto avatar

    This blog article of yours, Paul, reminds me why I hold the opinion that reading your blog is an absolute waste of time.

    You're popular on http://amatomu.com“>amatomu.com (rank is 8 at the time I am posting this). That means you have a lot of people who disagree with me.

    So be it.

    I'm happy to be out of step with them.

    Joy to them, if they want to read your drivel.

  44. Richard Catto avatar

    One other thing, to the people who spell ‘lose’ as ‘loose’, may I suggest you attend an elementary English class?

    That is one misspelling that I find particularly irksome. I even see some illiterate journalists misspelling ‘lose’ as ‘loose’ on mainstream media web sites. I feel that that should be grounds for termination of a journalist’s employment.

  45. Richard Catto avatar

    One other thing, to the people who spell ‘lose’ as ‘loose’, may I suggest you attend an elementary English class?

    That is one misspelling that I find particularly irksome. I even see some illiterate journalists misspelling ‘lose’ as ‘loose’ on mainstream media web sites. I feel that that should be grounds for termination of a journalist’s employment.

  46. Richard Catto avatar

    One other thing, to the people who spell ‘lose’ as ‘loose’, may I suggest you attend an elementary English class?

    That is one misspelling that I find particularly irksome. I even see some illiterate journalists misspelling ‘lose’ as ‘loose’ on mainstream media web sites. I feel that that should be grounds for termination of a journalist’s employment.

  47. Richard Catto avatar

    One other thing, to the people who spell 'lose' as 'loose', may I suggest you attend an elementary English class?

    That is one misspelling that I find particularly irksome. I even see some illiterate journalists misspelling 'lose' as 'loose' on mainstream media web sites. I feel that that should be grounds for termination of a journalist's employment.

  48. Guy McLaren avatar

    Paul Jacobson, Journo or Muckraker? Maybe Onanism is the answer to your sexual frustration.

    Read the article here http://www.trafficdepartment.co.za/default.asp

  49. Guy McLaren avatar

    Paul Jacobson, Journo or Muckraker? Maybe Onanism is the answer to your sexual frustration.

    Read the article here http://www.trafficdepartment.co.za/default.asp

  50. Guy McLaren avatar

    Paul Jacobson, Journo or Muckraker? Maybe Onanism is the answer to your sexual frustration.

    Read the article here http://www.trafficdepartment.co.za/default.asp

  51. Guy McLaren avatar

    Paul Jacobson, Journo or Muckraker? Maybe Onanism is the answer to your sexual frustration.

    Read the article here http://www.trafficdepartment.co.za/default.asp“>http://www.trafficdepartment.co.za/default.asp

  52. coda avatar

    Richard, as I pointed out to someone else last week, correcting someone else’s typo on the web is pretty pathetic. And for you to dedicate an entire comment to it, on a blog which you say you don’t read but do anyway, well, that’s just sad. I find that particularly irksome.

  53. coda avatar

    Richard, as I pointed out to someone else last week, correcting someone else’s typo on the web is pretty pathetic. And for you to dedicate an entire comment to it, on a blog which you say you don’t read but do anyway, well, that’s just sad. I find that particularly irksome.

  54. coda avatar

    Richard, as I pointed out to someone else last week, correcting someone else’s typo on the web is pretty pathetic. And for you to dedicate an entire comment to it, on a blog which you say you don’t read but do anyway, well, that’s just sad. I find that particularly irksome.

  55. coda avatar

    Richard, as I pointed out to someone else last week, correcting someone else's typo on the web is pretty pathetic. And for you to dedicate an entire comment to it, on a blog which you say you don't read but do anyway, well, that's just sad. I find that particularly irksome.

  56. Guy McLaren fights back avatar

    […] it seems commenting on my post about Guy McLaren wasn’t enough for Guy to set things straight from his perspective. It seems he needs a little […]

  57. Richard Catto avatar

    It’s not a typo, Coda. Too many people think that ‘lose’ (as in ‘to lose something’) is spelt with a double o (‘loose’).

    We don’t “loose a wallet” we “lose a wallet”. We let an animal loose, we let loose the dogs of war!

  58. Richard Catto avatar

    It’s not a typo, Coda. Too many people think that ‘lose’ (as in ‘to lose something’) is spelt with a double o (‘loose’).

    We don’t “loose a wallet” we “lose a wallet”. We let an animal loose, we let loose the dogs of war!

  59. Richard Catto avatar

    It’s not a typo, Coda. Too many people think that ‘lose’ (as in ‘to lose something’) is spelt with a double o (‘loose’).

    We don’t “loose a wallet” we “lose a wallet”. We let an animal loose, we let loose the dogs of war!

  60. Richard Catto avatar

    It's not a typo, Coda. Too many people think that 'lose' (as in 'to lose something') is spelt with a double o ('loose').

    We don't “loose a wallet” we “lose a wallet”. We let an animal loose, we let loose the dogs of war!

  61. coda avatar

    I was using it in the context of euphemism. “correcting poor spelling” then, if we’re going to nitpick. Either way, still lame.

  62. coda avatar

    I was using it in the context of euphemism. “correcting poor spelling” then, if we’re going to nitpick. Either way, still lame.

  63. coda avatar

    I was using it in the context of euphemism. “correcting poor spelling” then, if we’re going to nitpick. Either way, still lame.

  64. coda avatar

    I was using it in the context of euphemism. “correcting poor spelling” then, if we're going to nitpick. Either way, still lame.

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